Okay, so I just wanted to say something about the Oulu Rape Macarena.
Never heard of it? Sorry. I was happier before I knew about it too. Long story short, it’s one of those painful attempts to put a public service message to music. You see a lot of “wash your hands rap” these days too.
I’m kind of with the Nazis on this one. The Oulu Rape Macarena is painfully dumb. It was dumb in 2009 when Mississippi tried to use it to deal with teen pregnancy, and it’s dumb in 2020 to deal with rape.
How about – no no, hear me out – how about rapists … go to motherfucking jail?
Finnish rapists can go to motherfucking jail in Finland. Immigrant rapists can go to motherfucking jail in their own countries, after they get sent back there because they committed a crime. And forget about citizenship – I’ve been looking into it and it turns out committing crimes can make you ineligible. And hey, if we’re talking about revoking citizenship for criminals, we can do that to natural-born Finns and naturalised ones. Great!
 I think it’s actually that you go to jail in the country you committed the crime in, regardless of citizenship. But I’m happy for foreign rapists to be sent to some place with far shittier jails, Finland is too nice. In fact, can we make a place with just the most gross jails ever, and send rapists there? You know, or shoot them in the head. It may be easy to mistake me for a hippie because I have long hair and am not actively racist, but I’m really not one. If you think I am, you’re a fucking idiot. None of the actual sentences were long enough in this case. I’m with Mykkänen on this one, and I say that as an immigrant.
It’s true, statistically, that foreigners generally commit more crimes – wherever they are. There are plenty of reasons for this, and what is seen as an increase in crime is actually more often an increase in reports or charges. That means there aren’t more crimes being committed, there are more crimes being found out and punished. And that’s good. Get them all, the bastards. If more of the crimes are committed by foreigners (never mind that an outsider is always easier to accuse and charge than an established member of a community with friends and defenders), then … charge them for the crimes they commit. I’m very glad that seems to have been happening (the charging, not the crimes).
Here’s the problem, though.
If you find out about a “rape crisis” and immediately declare that the borders need to be closed and immigrants need to be banished, you’re not worried about the rapes. You were never worried about the rapes. The clue is in the fact that you’re saying mamut instead of raiskaajat.
And I know, you’re a fucking racist moron, and mamut is easier to say.
How about we lock up all Finnish men? Some Finnish men rape. Better lock them all up. Oh wait, that’s not fair to the ones who aren’t criminals. Welcome to how I feel when I see “Nazi brides” blaming “immigrants” instead of “rapists”.
No, really. That’s what Natsimorsian means.
No. Round up all the vile fucking animals who are committing rape, in Oulu and anywhere else. Round them up, do whatever the fuck you like to them. The natives and the foreigners. I don’t think there is actually a culture of humans on the planet right now that is unaware that fucking someone against their will, or fucking a child, is wrong. If there really are such cultures, we definitely need to make it really clear to members of those cultures that they’re entering a country that, like almost every other human civilisation on the planet, considers it a crime. An interpreter can explain this in about twelve seconds. The interpretive dance is un-fucking-necessary.
But don’t pretend you care about the crime, or the victims, if your immediate go-to is “foreigners out”.
Alright, back to being dead.
I generally agree, and am too sick to add much to this, but some of it read as if it were written by someone else! Maybe it’s my flu brain tricking me or something. But I had to respond to this:
“It’s true, statistically, that foreigners generally commit more crimes – wherever they are.”
Maybe in Finland, but not in America. Here is something from the right-wing Cato institute, which backs up what I’ve seen on all my evil liberal media, that says the opposite for the US. Possibly even for illegal immigrants but certainly for legal ones:
” All immigrants have a lower criminal incarceration rate and there are lower crime rates in the neighborhoods where they live, according to the near-unanimous findings of the peer-reviewed evidence. Since 1911, large nationwide federal immigration commissions have asked whether immigrants are more crime-prone than native-born Americans and each one of them answered no, even when the rest of their reports unjustifiably blamed immigrants for virtually every problem in the United States. From the 1911 Immigration Commission, also known as the Dillingham Commission, to the 1931 Wickersham Commission, and 1994’s Barbara Jordan Commission, each has reported that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans. “
It’s unfortunate, but in the very worst case it is possible to cut the pie in a way that suggests immigrants, as a very small portion of the population, commit a larger share of crimes than they proportionally should. I’ve seen “25%” thrown around, and when that’s “25% committed by 5% of the population, and 75% committed by 95%”, it’s easy to crank up the hysteria.
However, there’s so much wrong with that number, starting with the fact that it’s pure hearsay and is based only on accusations (can you say “perpetrator was an African American male”?), and going on through the simple fact that foreigners are far easier targets for accusations because they have no support network (an awful lot of Finnish women raped by Finnish men won’t even come forward because *gestures at the entire fucking system*) … it goes deeper and deeper.
The bottom line is, cases like Oulu are terrible and the handful of perpetrators involved should be punished to the full extent of the law, and the victims have my total sympathy. Punish rapists. Don’t pretend you care about rape if you’re calling for the punishment of immigrants.
And yes, I was talking about Finland, not America. I don’t live in America. Finland’s immigrant population is tiny in comparison and we’re way less experienced with it.
I see. The “wherever you are” really threw me off. I took it to mean “whatever country we’re talking about”, not “wherever you are in Finland”?….
And I’m certain the numbers I’ve seen reported in the US are proportional, as in per capita. TYT doesn’t make the mistake of just reporting “fewer” crimes. They discuss a rate, and I think the article is doing so as well.
I wish they didn’t have this talking point in Finland then, which it sounds like they do.
No you’re right, I do think foreigners are viewed this way pretty much universally. As to the actual numbers and proportions, I want to believe it’s the same in Finland as in the US, but it’s possible there is this convenient disproportion. Even if there is, though, it doesn’t make the racists right. There are a lot of reasons for those statistics.
None of which equals rape aplogism as the hated suvakkeja (libtards) are accused of here. Rapists belong in prison, and that’s being nice.
agreed. I’m avoiding the rest of the discussion for time and energy’s sake, but I agree with what you keep reemphasizing.
I mean even IF the rates of crime were higher (not rape, all crime), you’d still have to discuss differential targeting by police. Which DEFINITELY happens in the US.
Marijuana statistics in the US explain this factor well. Blacks and whites appear to smoke/possess it at the same rate, but black arrests and incarceration are higher. AND there are less of them than whites. So that’s kind of a double-unfairness.
My current mental state is not making your illness-impaired reading comprehension any easier, sorry about that.